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		<title>By: Niccolò Zamborlini</title>
		<link>http://desirableroastedcoffee.com/2006/09/bitacle_thieves.html/comment-page-1#comment-380</link>
		<dc:creator>Niccolò Zamborlini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;U got the same problem of my blog. Simply Bitacle.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I resolved it with a .htaccess rule:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
# STOP BITACLE!&lt;br /&gt;
RewriteEngine On&lt;br /&gt;
deny from 212.22.59.251&lt;br /&gt;
deny from bitacle.org&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>U got the same problem of my blog. Simply Bitacle.</p>
<p>I resolved it with a .htaccess rule:</p>
<p>
# STOP BITACLE!<br />
RewriteEngine On<br />
deny from 212.22.59.251<br />
deny from bitacle.org</p>
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		<title>By: Jogy</title>
		<link>http://desirableroastedcoffee.com/2006/09/bitacle_thieves.html/comment-page-1#comment-381</link>
		<dc:creator>Jogy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hi&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Thanks for linking to my angry reaction on the Bitacle theft. I have this morning warned Google that Bitacle abuses our posts for there own to archieve money from them. Google has reacted that the will search for a solution. So hopefully this big search engine will do something against the thiefs from Bitacle.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Read this also, if you don&#039;t have red it:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://lutrov.com/blog/80/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://lutrov.com/blog/80/&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi</p>
<p>Thanks for linking to my angry reaction on the Bitacle theft. I have this morning warned Google that Bitacle abuses our posts for there own to archieve money from them. Google has reacted that the will search for a solution. So hopefully this big search engine will do something against the thiefs from Bitacle.</p>
<p>Read this also, if you don&#39;t have red it:<br />
<a href="http://lutrov.com/blog/80/" rel="nofollow">http://lutrov.com/blog/80/</a> </p>
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		<title>By: Valerie</title>
		<link>http://desirableroastedcoffee.com/2006/09/bitacle_thieves.html/comment-page-1#comment-382</link>
		<dc:creator>Valerie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks  ;-)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Also, fyi to anyone looking to block bitacle, as of yesterday, they used the IP [deleted at Valerie&#039;s request -- Allan] in addition to the one Niccolo gave.  They used that first one allllll month long until the day I posted about them and then they used the second!&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks  <img src='http://desirableroastedcoffee.com/site/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Also, fyi to anyone looking to block bitacle, as of yesterday, they used the IP [deleted at Valerie&#39;s request -- Allan] in addition to the one Niccolo gave.  They used that first one allllll month long until the day I posted about them and then they used the second!</p>
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		<title>By: Donna Papacosta</title>
		<link>http://desirableroastedcoffee.com/2006/09/bitacle_thieves.html/comment-page-1#comment-383</link>
		<dc:creator>Donna Papacosta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Allan, I too abhor my content being scraped and then wrapped in ads. I&#039;ve found the time spent trying to stop these guys is just not worth it, unfortunately.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Allan, I too abhor my content being scraped and then wrapped in ads. I&#39;ve found the time spent trying to stop these guys is just not worth it, unfortunately.</p>
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		<title>By: Allan Jenkins</title>
		<link>http://desirableroastedcoffee.com/2006/09/bitacle_thieves.html/comment-page-1#comment-384</link>
		<dc:creator>Allan Jenkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Donna, these people are thieves, pure and simple: theft is theft. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;So I believe we should &quot;out&quot; them, find hacks to foil them, sue them where possible, pressure Google into vetting AdSense clients better, pressure ISPs, reveal their identities....&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Ten of us protesting make no difference. A thousand of us, ten thousand of us, protesting, searching out, hacking every shred of their online life... that&#039;s a different story.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Donna, these people are thieves, pure and simple: theft is theft. </p>
<p>So I believe we should &quot;out&quot; them, find hacks to foil them, sue them where possible, pressure Google into vetting AdSense clients better, pressure ISPs, reveal their identities&#8230;.</p>
<p>Ten of us protesting make no difference. A thousand of us, ten thousand of us, protesting, searching out, hacking every shred of their online life&#8230; that&#39;s a different story.</p>
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		<title>By: hollyster</title>
		<link>http://desirableroastedcoffee.com/2006/09/bitacle_thieves.html/comment-page-1#comment-385</link>
		<dc:creator>hollyster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;If you switch to wordpress or any of you reading this on wordpress, Owen  wrote a script called anti-leech  that strips out your content and just puts a link back to your blog. Example here.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I&#039;ll let you know how it goes...&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you switch to wordpress or any of you reading this on wordpress, Owen  wrote a script called anti-leech  that strips out your content and just puts a link back to your blog. Example here.</p>
<p>I&#39;ll let you know how it goes&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Amy Gahran</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amy Gahran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hi, Allan&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The more I think over this splogger problem, the more I think it&#039;s futile and even counterproductive to try to hunt down and shut down individual sploggers. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;They&#039;re not the real problem. They&#039;re just opportunists. The REAL problem is that Google, Yahoo, and other online ad  network providers have their programs set up in such a way that actively *encourages* sploggers.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It does no good to stamp out a few cockroaches. You have to stop them from breeding.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I just wrote more about this at Contentious: &lt;a href=&quot;http://tinyurl.com/rvp7t&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://tinyurl.com/rvp7t&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Also, regarding the wordpress anti-leech script -- wouldn&#039;t that approach prevent legitimate syndication from a site or feed? It&#039;s a tradeoff. I&#039;ll have to look into that to understand it better.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Thanks!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;- Amy Gahran&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Allan</p>
<p>The more I think over this splogger problem, the more I think it&#39;s futile and even counterproductive to try to hunt down and shut down individual sploggers. </p>
<p>They&#39;re not the real problem. They&#39;re just opportunists. The REAL problem is that Google, Yahoo, and other online ad  network providers have their programs set up in such a way that actively *encourages* sploggers.</p>
<p>It does no good to stamp out a few cockroaches. You have to stop them from breeding.</p>
<p>I just wrote more about this at Contentious: <a href="http://tinyurl.com/rvp7t" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/rvp7t</a></p>
<p>Also, regarding the wordpress anti-leech script &#8212; wouldn&#39;t that approach prevent legitimate syndication from a site or feed? It&#39;s a tradeoff. I&#39;ll have to look into that to understand it better.</p>
<p>Thanks!</p>
<p>- Amy Gahran</p>
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		<title>By: doug</title>
		<link>http://desirableroastedcoffee.com/2006/09/bitacle_thieves.html/comment-page-1#comment-387</link>
		<dc:creator>doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I don&#039;t think that Bitacle is a splogger.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;They seem to be a project based in Spain that aggregates blog feeds and provides search/view functions on those feeds.  I&#039;ve been reading the actual Bitacle site now (homepage is an AJAX aggregator/home page, ala Netvibes) and exploring their blog in Spanish (I happen to be fluent).  It does not look like a splog operation at all.  I think a lot of us in the English speaking blogosphere jumped the gun on this one.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In fact, I think the language barrier is a big problem here.  A blogger from Cordoba, Argentina recently posted (in Spanish) something about how all the English language blogs are hyper-critical, while Spanish blogs generally praise the service.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m not trying to defend everything Bitacle is doing, I&#039;m certainly no fan of the blatent Adsense placements, which in some cases appear to violate CC licenses.  And the folks running the project are certainly shooting themselves for not offering at least some English documentation of what the site is about (their English blog is empty).  But it seems that the service is basically a blog search engine/personalized home page that then lets you browse feeds.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In summary, I don&#039;t think Bitacle is without its (serious?) problems, but it&#039;s definitely not a fly-by-night hit-n-run splog operation.  And those are the folks who deserve the 8th circle. :)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;(I&#039;m posting this comment on a couple other blogs as well, to try to help the conversation a bit.)&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#39;t think that Bitacle is a splogger.</p>
<p>They seem to be a project based in Spain that aggregates blog feeds and provides search/view functions on those feeds.  I&#39;ve been reading the actual Bitacle site now (homepage is an AJAX aggregator/home page, ala Netvibes) and exploring their blog in Spanish (I happen to be fluent).  It does not look like a splog operation at all.  I think a lot of us in the English speaking blogosphere jumped the gun on this one.</p>
<p>In fact, I think the language barrier is a big problem here.  A blogger from Cordoba, Argentina recently posted (in Spanish) something about how all the English language blogs are hyper-critical, while Spanish blogs generally praise the service.</p>
<p>I&#39;m not trying to defend everything Bitacle is doing, I&#39;m certainly no fan of the blatent Adsense placements, which in some cases appear to violate CC licenses.  And the folks running the project are certainly shooting themselves for not offering at least some English documentation of what the site is about (their English blog is empty).  But it seems that the service is basically a blog search engine/personalized home page that then lets you browse feeds.</p>
<p>In summary, I don&#39;t think Bitacle is without its (serious?) problems, but it&#39;s definitely not a fly-by-night hit-n-run splog operation.  And those are the folks who deserve the 8th circle. <img src='http://desirableroastedcoffee.com/site/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>(I&#39;m posting this comment on a couple other blogs as well, to try to help the conversation a bit.)</p>
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		<title>By: alan herrell - the head lemur</title>
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		<dc:creator>alan herrell - the head lemur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;14446 Blogs as of this posting&lt;br /&gt;
No doug, I don&#039;t think this is just a poor misunderstood aggegator&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>14446 Blogs as of this posting<br />
No doug, I don&#39;t think this is just a poor misunderstood aggegator</p>
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		<title>By: Allan Jenkins</title>
		<link>http://desirableroastedcoffee.com/2006/09/bitacle_thieves.html/comment-page-1#comment-389</link>
		<dc:creator>Allan Jenkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;Appear to violate CC licenses&quot;? There is no &quot;appear,&quot; here, Doug. CC licenses are crystal clear.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I write and speak and consult for a living. That&#039;s a lot of fun for me, and (I dearly hope) a boon for my clients. But it&#039;s a commercial, private, transaction.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I write here for fun and community. I charge nothing for what I write -- much of which is &quot;memo to self&quot; -- and am frankly agog when other bloggers pick up my stuff. So when Bitacle comes along, slapping ads all over my &quot;for fun and community&quot; writing, they are ripping me (and my readers) off.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If you are so friendly with the Bitacle gang, encourage them to write. They haven&#039;t responded to anyone&#039;s posts or phone calls. Until they do, they are sploggers, and you are their apologist.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;Appear to violate CC licenses&quot;? There is no &quot;appear,&quot; here, Doug. CC licenses are crystal clear.</p>
<p>I write and speak and consult for a living. That&#39;s a lot of fun for me, and (I dearly hope) a boon for my clients. But it&#39;s a commercial, private, transaction.</p>
<p>I write here for fun and community. I charge nothing for what I write &#8212; much of which is &quot;memo to self&quot; &#8212; and am frankly agog when other bloggers pick up my stuff. So when Bitacle comes along, slapping ads all over my &quot;for fun and community&quot; writing, they are ripping me (and my readers) off.</p>
<p>If you are so friendly with the Bitacle gang, encourage them to write. They haven&#39;t responded to anyone&#39;s posts or phone calls. Until they do, they are sploggers, and you are their apologist.</p>
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