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		<title>By: Debbie Weil</title>
		<link>http://desirableroastedcoffee.com/2007/07/debbie-weil-per.html/comment-page-1#comment-202</link>
		<dc:creator>Debbie Weil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;There&#039;s nothing underhanded about the email I sent, as I posted the same request publicly on my blog. And I didn&#039;t send it to a list of &quot;prominent PR bloggers.&quot; Just a list of folks I know. It&#039;s not that big a deal. Bloggers - corporate and otherwise - use the backchannel of email all the time to communicate with one another.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#39;s nothing underhanded about the email I sent, as I posted the same request publicly on my blog. And I didn&#39;t send it to a list of &quot;prominent PR bloggers.&quot; Just a list of folks I know. It&#39;s not that big a deal. Bloggers &#8211; corporate and otherwise &#8211; use the backchannel of email all the time to communicate with one another.</p>
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		<title>By: Allan Jenkins</title>
		<link>http://desirableroastedcoffee.com/2007/07/debbie-weil-per.html/comment-page-1#comment-203</link>
		<dc:creator>Allan Jenkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The point is that you made such a request. That you made it on your blog and added friends in addition to prominent PR bloggers only makes it worse. But I appreciate your candor.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Thanks for the email tip... until now, I had email pegged as just an easy way to mail Mom...&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The point is that you made such a request. That you made it on your blog and added friends in addition to prominent PR bloggers only makes it worse. But I appreciate your candor.</p>
<p>Thanks for the email tip&#8230; until now, I had email pegged as just an easy way to mail Mom&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Eggertson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Eggertson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;You&#039;re a naughty boy.  (I&#039;m grinning a little bit when I say that.)  Now I have to go see if you left a message on the blog...&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#39;re a naughty boy.  (I&#39;m grinning a little bit when I say that.)  Now I have to go see if you left a message on the blog&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: David Murray</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Murray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;I posted the same request publicly on my blog.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Yes, none of the alli audience reads your blog.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Transparent would be posting the same request publicly on the alli blog. &quot;Please, shy fatties, respond! Glaxo is feeling lonely!&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Transparent would be letting us know who are the &quot;folks I know&quot; who got the e-mail, and why you chose us.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I agree, Debbie; it&#039;s not that big a deal. It&#039;s not a wholesale fake blog, as happened with Wal-Mart. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;But it&#039;s dumb nonetheless, and unseemly and tone deaf to the blog culture about which you profess to be a leading expert, and I&#039;m just about 100% sure you won&#039;t do it again.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;I posted the same request publicly on my blog.&quot;</p>
<p>Yes, none of the alli audience reads your blog.</p>
<p>Transparent would be posting the same request publicly on the alli blog. &quot;Please, shy fatties, respond! Glaxo is feeling lonely!&quot;</p>
<p>Transparent would be letting us know who are the &quot;folks I know&quot; who got the e-mail, and why you chose us.</p>
<p>I agree, Debbie; it&#39;s not that big a deal. It&#39;s not a wholesale fake blog, as happened with Wal-Mart. </p>
<p>But it&#39;s dumb nonetheless, and unseemly and tone deaf to the blog culture about which you profess to be a leading expert, and I&#39;m just about 100% sure you won&#39;t do it again.</p>
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		<title>By: Allan Jenkins</title>
		<link>http://desirableroastedcoffee.com/2007/07/debbie-weil-per.html/comment-page-1#comment-206</link>
		<dc:creator>Allan Jenkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I did leave a comment, Eric.... waiting for it to show up. &lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did leave a comment, Eric&#8230;. waiting for it to show up. </p>
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		<title>By: Philip Young</title>
		<link>http://desirableroastedcoffee.com/2007/07/debbie-weil-per.html/comment-page-1#comment-207</link>
		<dc:creator>Philip Young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I look forward to reading your comment when it appears on alli blog - maybe you could share it now, Allan, to save the suspense!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Two things occur to me. Firstly, the warning light should have flashed for Debbie when she added &quot;No need to say that you know me, of course.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Secondly, she is either trawling her email contacts list for people who happen to be fat and therefore interested in the product (and as most bloggers show their faces not their stomachs you can see her problem) or she is inviting PR bloggers to comment on a commercial pitch. If you are trying to build dialogue with real people there are probably better ways of doing this than soliciting comments from PRs with an interest in CEO blogs. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Personally, I would rather cycle up mountains than take some horrible potion that provoke &#039;oops moments&#039; - that&#039;s what wine (and, unfortunately in Debbie&#039;s case) blogging are for.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I look forward to reading your comment when it appears on alli blog &#8211; maybe you could share it now, Allan, to save the suspense!</p>
<p>Two things occur to me. Firstly, the warning light should have flashed for Debbie when she added &quot;No need to say that you know me, of course.&quot;</p>
<p>Secondly, she is either trawling her email contacts list for people who happen to be fat and therefore interested in the product (and as most bloggers show their faces not their stomachs you can see her problem) or she is inviting PR bloggers to comment on a commercial pitch. If you are trying to build dialogue with real people there are probably better ways of doing this than soliciting comments from PRs with an interest in CEO blogs. </p>
<p>Personally, I would rather cycle up mountains than take some horrible potion that provoke &#39;oops moments&#39; &#8211; that&#39;s what wine (and, unfortunately in Debbie&#39;s case) blogging are for.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Dugan</title>
		<link>http://desirableroastedcoffee.com/2007/07/debbie-weil-per.html/comment-page-1#comment-208</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Dugan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;If you&#039;re inspired or provoked, leave a comment on any entry. No need&lt;br /&gt;
to say that you know me, of course.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In Debbie&#039;s follow up comments, she never addresses that second sentence. To me it&#039;s the one sentence I take issue with. It&#039;s the one that calls the rest of the email into question. Were it not in the email, it would not be a big deal.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Paull Young sent me a note today as part of a mass send about a project he&#039;s working on. He handled it transparently and I have no issue with his note.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;If you&#39;re inspired or provoked, leave a comment on any entry. No need<br />
to say that you know me, of course.&quot;</p>
<p>In Debbie&#39;s follow up comments, she never addresses that second sentence. To me it&#39;s the one sentence I take issue with. It&#39;s the one that calls the rest of the email into question. Were it not in the email, it would not be a big deal.</p>
<p>Paull Young sent me a note today as part of a mass send about a project he&#39;s working on. He handled it transparently and I have no issue with his note.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Sebastian</title>
		<link>http://desirableroastedcoffee.com/2007/07/debbie-weil-per.html/comment-page-1#comment-209</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Sebastian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Alan,&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;What&#039;s your source for, &quot;alliconnect blog has attracted almost no readers&quot;? &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Apologies if I&#039;m missing the obvious somewhere, but I feel like I haven&#039;t specifically picked that up from what I&#039;ve been reading on the subject.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Thanks,&lt;br /&gt;
Michael Sebastian&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alan,</p>
<p>What&#39;s your source for, &quot;alliconnect blog has attracted almost no readers&quot;? </p>
<p>Apologies if I&#39;m missing the obvious somewhere, but I feel like I haven&#39;t specifically picked that up from what I&#39;ve been reading on the subject.</p>
<p>Thanks,<br />
Michael Sebastian</p>
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		<title>By: Allan Jenkins</title>
		<link>http://desirableroastedcoffee.com/2007/07/debbie-weil-per.html/comment-page-1#comment-210</link>
		<dc:creator>Allan Jenkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;1) Because she&#039;s worried about the number of comments. If they were getting loads of eye-balls, they wouldn&#039;t give a rat&#039;s ass about comments. It&#039;s a promotion blog, for Chrissakes, they don&#039;t, in an ideal world, WANT comments.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;2) Because of her plaintive appeal. If readers where streaming to the blog, Weil wouldn&#039;t be gambling her reputation on pimping comments. When a consultant goes desperate, times are real bad on the engagement.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;3) 27 years experience listening to and watching corporate jargon, bullshit, CYA moves, bad excuses, appeals... &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;So. &quot;Almost no readers&quot; = &quot;far below what GSK was told they could expect.&quot; &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1) Because she&#39;s worried about the number of comments. If they were getting loads of eye-balls, they wouldn&#39;t give a rat&#39;s ass about comments. It&#39;s a promotion blog, for Chrissakes, they don&#39;t, in an ideal world, WANT comments.</p>
<p>2) Because of her plaintive appeal. If readers where streaming to the blog, Weil wouldn&#39;t be gambling her reputation on pimping comments. When a consultant goes desperate, times are real bad on the engagement.</p>
<p>3) 27 years experience listening to and watching corporate jargon, bullshit, CYA moves, bad excuses, appeals&#8230; </p>
<p>So. &quot;Almost no readers&quot; = &quot;far below what GSK was told they could expect.&quot; </p>
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		<title>By: Debbie Weil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Debbie Weil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Allan,&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;You really are a j--k. You don&#039;t know me (and I&#039;ve never heard of your blog til yesterday). Traffic to the alli blog is just fine. The GSK folks I&#039;m working with do want a two-way conversation. Read the blog for goodness sake... Or send me an email with questions. I&#039;ll be sure to keep it private (heh heh).  &lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Allan,</p>
<p>You really are a j&#8211;k. You don&#39;t know me (and I&#39;ve never heard of your blog til yesterday). Traffic to the alli blog is just fine. The GSK folks I&#39;m working with do want a two-way conversation. Read the blog for goodness sake&#8230; Or send me an email with questions. I&#39;ll be sure to keep it private (heh heh).  </p>
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